Woody Wax
- Thread starter Hilditch
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Cary Winch
Camp-Inn Staff
Woody himself told us we should be using the XXX on our trailers, not the CPR system. The CPR system is not intended for aluminum surfaces this large.
I have the XXX on my trailer and find it came out great.
Cary
I have the XXX on my trailer and find it came out great.
Cary
Cary: I posted a quote direct from a WoodyWax email to me. It does not say that I should use the XXX. It just says to use the WoodyWax.
Here is an email I got from the WoodyWax folks:
"I spoke with Woody to get his recommendations:
1. To clean the raw aluminum- Woody recommends WOODY'S ULTRA GLOSS RESTORING COMPOUND. This can be very messy- because of the black residue. Woody has been developing a new product - a rinse able raw aluminum polish which he asked me to send you a sample of- which is easier to use, and not as messy. I will send both - a Compound sample- and a rinse able metal polish sample.
2. To protect, he suggests his WOODY WAX. I will enclose samples of this as well. After you have cleaned, apply with a cotton glove or towel, and then wipe off with blue shop towels.
I will send you a goodie package with instructions...please e mail or call with any questions.
Congratulations on your new trailer ! You will receive another e mail with your shipping information for your FREE SAMPLES !
Sue
Susan Hughes
WOODY WAX
(561) 741-4424 or (800) 619-4363
Fax: (561) 741-7814
woodywax22@aol.com"
I remain a bit confused, as the email does not mention the Woody Wax Metal Sealant
Here is an email I got from the WoodyWax folks:
"I spoke with Woody to get his recommendations:
1. To clean the raw aluminum- Woody recommends WOODY'S ULTRA GLOSS RESTORING COMPOUND. This can be very messy- because of the black residue. Woody has been developing a new product - a rinse able raw aluminum polish which he asked me to send you a sample of- which is easier to use, and not as messy. I will send both - a Compound sample- and a rinse able metal polish sample.
2. To protect, he suggests his WOODY WAX. I will enclose samples of this as well. After you have cleaned, apply with a cotton glove or towel, and then wipe off with blue shop towels.
I will send you a goodie package with instructions...please e mail or call with any questions.
Congratulations on your new trailer ! You will receive another e mail with your shipping information for your FREE SAMPLES !
Sue
Susan Hughes
WOODY WAX
(561) 741-4424 or (800) 619-4363
Fax: (561) 741-7814
woodywax22@aol.com"
I remain a bit confused, as the email does not mention the Woody Wax Metal Sealant
More direct email to me, re our trailers, from WoodyWax:
On the clean trailer you should use the Woody Wax. It will protect and shine.
To clean dirt, corrosion, etc. you should use the compound - and then after it's clean - apply the Woody Wax. On raw aluminum, the compound works best to remove corrosion, etc. The Woody Wax has corrosion blockers, protection, and will give the trailer a beautiful shine. You can apply the Woody Wax every time you want to shine your trailer. Woody Wax will restore metal and protect.
On the clean trailer you should use the Woody Wax. It will protect and shine.
To clean dirt, corrosion, etc. you should use the compound - and then after it's clean - apply the Woody Wax. On raw aluminum, the compound works best to remove corrosion, etc. The Woody Wax has corrosion blockers, protection, and will give the trailer a beautiful shine. You can apply the Woody Wax every time you want to shine your trailer. Woody Wax will restore metal and protect.
Cary Winch
Camp-Inn Staff
Al,
That is good info you have there. Yes, the cleaning info is very good on it. We found that we had to break out the Walbernize to fully clean it proper before applying the Woody's.
Jean,
Yes, we are looking to offer it as an option. Just need to figure out the particulars on how to handle it on the production floor right now before posting it. But, on new metal only. On trailers that have use on them, no. Because they would need to be buffed out first and we just are not set up to do that in house on customer units.
Cary
That is good info you have there. Yes, the cleaning info is very good on it. We found that we had to break out the Walbernize to fully clean it proper before applying the Woody's.
Jean,
Yes, we are looking to offer it as an option. Just need to figure out the particulars on how to handle it on the production floor right now before posting it. But, on new metal only. On trailers that have use on them, no. Because they would need to be buffed out first and we just are not set up to do that in house on customer units.
Cary
It appears CI had trouble applying the Metal Protectant correctly and was looking for an option for the two step process. An easier process to sell a coat of wax.
Don’t be misled. If the Woody CPR system works great on 1 sq. ft. of aluminum it will work the same way on 2 sq. ft. or 130 sq. ft. There is no size line where it stops being best for aluminum.
After over 2 years I have found The CPR system will keep my tear from staining and turning dark for 6 months per application. That is with an average of 4,000 miles and 30 nights in the tear per 6 month period.
That is with NO CLEANING in over two years. No Walbernize. No Ultra Gloss Restoring Compound. No brass wool. No buffer. Just regular wash jobs with Woody Ultra Pine Boat Soap.
After 6 months I apply another coat of Woody Wax and a coat of Metal Protectant and I know I’m good for another 6 months of protection against staining of the aluminum.
Woody Carnauba Cream Wax is great for paint and will last a couple of months as I use it on the Ford. XXX is for fiberglass and I’m sure leaves a great shine for a while, but most importantly, how long will it protect from staining and react with the aluminum to keep it bright? How long before you will have to give it another coat? Will you have to Walbernize the CI before the next coat to get the stains out?
Ask Cary.
I will repeat, something is better than nothing and then it is up to you. Woody is good for the correct application.
Hilditch
Don’t be misled. If the Woody CPR system works great on 1 sq. ft. of aluminum it will work the same way on 2 sq. ft. or 130 sq. ft. There is no size line where it stops being best for aluminum.
After over 2 years I have found The CPR system will keep my tear from staining and turning dark for 6 months per application. That is with an average of 4,000 miles and 30 nights in the tear per 6 month period.
That is with NO CLEANING in over two years. No Walbernize. No Ultra Gloss Restoring Compound. No brass wool. No buffer. Just regular wash jobs with Woody Ultra Pine Boat Soap.
After 6 months I apply another coat of Woody Wax and a coat of Metal Protectant and I know I’m good for another 6 months of protection against staining of the aluminum.
Woody Carnauba Cream Wax is great for paint and will last a couple of months as I use it on the Ford. XXX is for fiberglass and I’m sure leaves a great shine for a while, but most importantly, how long will it protect from staining and react with the aluminum to keep it bright? How long before you will have to give it another coat? Will you have to Walbernize the CI before the next coat to get the stains out?
Ask Cary.
I will repeat, something is better than nothing and then it is up to you. Woody is good for the correct application.
Hilditch
Cary Winch
Camp-Inn Staff
Don't misunderstand what I said. I am not saying the CPR system does not do a great job of protecting. Only that if you want it to look good on your trailer it will not work. It will not leave a clean looking finish when completed on parts that big. There would be no way for Hilditch to know this, in his defense, because of the scotchbrite surface treatment he did to the metal of his trailer. On a clean stock brush finish it will not look good, period.
I will reiterate. Woody himself worked closely with us on this and he also says this is how it has to be.
Cary
I will reiterate. Woody himself worked closely with us on this and he also says this is how it has to be.
Cary
Cary, now I understand where you are coming from.
Once upon a time when I introduced Woody Wax I suggested starting with two complete CPR applications at first to fill in the valleys of the finish and leave a smooth surface. It then came out smooth for me. It is possible the valleys on the brush finish are too deep for even two coats to do it.
Did anyone out there try my recommendations? How did it work?
My concern is that the XXX will allow staining to begin shortly after application like the Walbernize did. Until proven I'd like to see XXX described as a temporary protection like NuFinish or just Woody Wax without the Metal Protector until the customer decides if or how they want to better protect the finish. (Used NuFinish for years and thought it was a wax. Oh well.)
Folks need to understand that something should be done at the first signs of staining, not a couple of months later to avoid a BIG cleaning ordeal. The CPR can provide the needed protection. And, like the sparkle in a new bride's eye, the aluminum on the CI will never look the same again as the day you peel the plastic off - but it can be kept close!
Hilditch
Once upon a time when I introduced Woody Wax I suggested starting with two complete CPR applications at first to fill in the valleys of the finish and leave a smooth surface. It then came out smooth for me. It is possible the valleys on the brush finish are too deep for even two coats to do it.
Did anyone out there try my recommendations? How did it work?
My concern is that the XXX will allow staining to begin shortly after application like the Walbernize did. Until proven I'd like to see XXX described as a temporary protection like NuFinish or just Woody Wax without the Metal Protector until the customer decides if or how they want to better protect the finish. (Used NuFinish for years and thought it was a wax. Oh well.)
Folks need to understand that something should be done at the first signs of staining, not a couple of months later to avoid a BIG cleaning ordeal. The CPR can provide the needed protection. And, like the sparkle in a new bride's eye, the aluminum on the CI will never look the same again as the day you peel the plastic off - but it can be kept close!
Hilditch
Cary Winch
Camp-Inn Staff
Hilditch,
It has to have something to do with the different metal finishes. I bet you are right. Because yours looks great, and we could not come close to matching what I seen on yours.
I don't see the XXX comparing with the almost non existant protectant the Walbernize or NuFinish leaves. Those are mainly cleaners. This stuff went on super heavy. Had to use an electric buffer to get it to lay out flat, but it did. It clearly is a heavy coat and it does change the look of the metal. The final look is very similar to the sealer coat of the CPR system but very even without all the streaks and such of the CPR sealer.
Cary
It has to have something to do with the different metal finishes. I bet you are right. Because yours looks great, and we could not come close to matching what I seen on yours.
I don't see the XXX comparing with the almost non existant protectant the Walbernize or NuFinish leaves. Those are mainly cleaners. This stuff went on super heavy. Had to use an electric buffer to get it to lay out flat, but it did. It clearly is a heavy coat and it does change the look of the metal. The final look is very similar to the sealer coat of the CPR system but very even without all the streaks and such of the CPR sealer.
Cary
Cary Winch
Camp-Inn Staff
Ken,
Not a bad idea. Next time we wax one up we will see what we can do. Did my first iPhone video couple weeks ago with a buddies phone and couldn't believe how easy it was.
Cary
Not a bad idea. Next time we wax one up we will see what we can do. Did my first iPhone video couple weeks ago with a buddies phone and couldn't believe how easy it was.
Cary
so I just did my first WoodyWax application
It was very easy to apply and remove. Yes, it takes some effort, but not what I would call "elbow grease"
Before we had a chance to apply any wax, our TD got some stains on it from rainwater which dripped off our Eucalytpus trees, onto a carport covered with eucalyptus droppings, and then onto a couple of spots on our TD. We used the Walbernize, which worked great, but it DOES require "elbow grease," and then some effort to eliminate the streaks and uneven surface (Walbernized spots are "cleaner"/"shiner" than the spots NOT Walbernized). Evening out the finish took longer than cleaning off the stains.
After we Walbernized, we then applied the WoodyWax. I did not see the instruction that we should use it sparingly, and I applied too thick a coat. That just means you use more towels and time to wipe it off (plus you are wasting all that excess WoodyWax). But I found it easy. Maybe spent one hour on the entire WoodyWax process (not counting letting it "sit" for 30 minutes).
After a weekend camping, it was a breeze to clean the trailer. Took less time than washing my car.
(Granted, the trailer was only "used" for two nights, so it wasn't all that dirty.)
(This isn't meant as an endorsement of the WoodyWax over any other product, since I didn't compare any other products to the WW. Just want folks to have an idea of how easy the WW is.)
It was very easy to apply and remove. Yes, it takes some effort, but not what I would call "elbow grease"
Before we had a chance to apply any wax, our TD got some stains on it from rainwater which dripped off our Eucalytpus trees, onto a carport covered with eucalyptus droppings, and then onto a couple of spots on our TD. We used the Walbernize, which worked great, but it DOES require "elbow grease," and then some effort to eliminate the streaks and uneven surface (Walbernized spots are "cleaner"/"shiner" than the spots NOT Walbernized). Evening out the finish took longer than cleaning off the stains.
After we Walbernized, we then applied the WoodyWax. I did not see the instruction that we should use it sparingly, and I applied too thick a coat. That just means you use more towels and time to wipe it off (plus you are wasting all that excess WoodyWax). But I found it easy. Maybe spent one hour on the entire WoodyWax process (not counting letting it "sit" for 30 minutes).
After a weekend camping, it was a breeze to clean the trailer. Took less time than washing my car.
(Granted, the trailer was only "used" for two nights, so it wasn't all that dirty.)
(This isn't meant as an endorsement of the WoodyWax over any other product, since I didn't compare any other products to the WW. Just want folks to have an idea of how easy the WW is.)
