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New Tow Vehicle

Jeremiah has a new tow vehicle. We traded our 2012 Subaru Outback in for a 2024 Subaru Outback Wilderness. Lots more features on this one and I felt like it handled better than our old Outback. We’ll try not to jackknife the trailer with this one. LOL we had good luck with 2012 & didn’t see any reason to go another route.

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VERY nice looking car!!!!! I'd just severely miss the big 6, and the small screen...
 
VERY nice looking car!!!!! I'd just severely miss the big 6, and the small screen...

We had the 6 cylinder before in the 2012, but we like this. It handles better, not that old one handled poorly. The ‘12 was the one we dodged a gas grill With at 75 mph on the interstate in Amarillo, TX after it fell out of a truck. The screen is going to take getting used to. Backup camera is better and the old one was fogged over it had been useless for a while.
 
We had the 6 cylinder before in the 2012, but we like this. It handles better, not that old one handled poorly. The ‘12 was the one we dodged a gas grill With at 75 mph on the interstate in Amarillo, TX after it fell out of a truck. The screen is going to take getting used to. Backup camera is better and the old one was fogged over it had been useless for a while.

Ours is a 12 --- and the headlights are the only true problem we've had with it, a few maintenance things. But to me, it handles amazingly well; maybe I've just owned jaloppies.

How pronounced is the turbo lag? Back in my diesel days (jeep liberty CRD) it was pretty bad...

Dodged a grill? Yikes that had to be exciting -- Trailer in tow? The CI weighs so little, and its CG is so low, that wouldn't be an issue. That was my nightmare within towing the 2800BH Grand Design...

I'm not dumping on your car, its actually very nice and I think Subi has probably has one of the better dash designs. Certainly better than Tezzzla's buttonless dash. Sorry, just a little peeve -- Nicola was Croatian, and pronunciation is closer to "Taesle" where the "ae" liks 1 sound....closer to the Latin Æ.

That said, the screen is almost a non-starter to me. I'm going to go to one kicking and screaming - for three major reasons.
  • Distraction - It is interesting that having a mobile phone in your hand will get you a ticket, but searching on a screen the size of an iPad for the touch control to turn on some desired environmental control is just fine.

  • Destruction of night vision - Your dash should be dim as possible, and big screens make big light. That bright light "burns out" your night vision.

  • As a pilot, who has had some instrument training, It was drilled into me 'keep scanning the 6 pack.' meaning don't take your eyes on the road. Being able to find the landing gear, mixture, flaps, and throttle just by feel is important. In its automotive corollary there's no way to do that with a touch screen.
Frankly, this is more an indictment of Tesla who has removed nearly all, if not all buttons and knobs (I think there are a few on the wheel) not forgetting the gauges out of your line of sight. It is completely unnatural to me, and I hope this trend reverses at some point.

Subi has avoided many of these pitfalls keeping the gauge pack....and your car is gorgeous. This just got me on an inevitable rant. I am very interested to see what your township experience is, our Subi is getting long in the tooth and anticipate we'll soon be replacing it. And we love our Subi's.

I'll be really interested in hearing how the smaller engine does in terms of performance and service. The F150 EcoBoost taught me that cubic displacement is not the only factor, but I am concerned about high-reving small engines and their ability to run for 200,000 miles....

Interesting they use a teardrop in their add: The 2024 Subaru Outback.
 
That said, the screen is almost a non-starter to me. I'm going to go to one kicking and screaming - for three major reasons.
  • Distraction - It is interesting that having a mobile phone in your hand will get you a ticket, but searching on a screen the size of an iPad for the touch control to turn on some desired environmental control is just fine.

  • Destruction of night vision - Your dash should be dim as possible, and big screens make big light. That bright light "burns out" your night vision.

  • As a pilot, who has had some instrument training, It was drilled into me 'keep scanning the 6 pack.' meaning don't take your eyes on the road. Being able to find the landing gear, mixture, flaps, and throttle just by feel is important. In its automotive corollary there's no way to do that with a touch screen.
+1.

I'm holding on to the 2017 OB base model as long as I can. There's still a "relative" technical simplicity to it that I know I will be giving up when its replacement needs to come along. And as someone who has issued hundreds of those tickets, I don't wish to become a hypocrite over another form of "distracted driving", or dragged into using counter-productive ergonomics (as you eloquently describe) even if federal transportation regulations and car manufacturers say it's OK to do so.
 
+1.

I'm holding on to the 2017 OB base model as long as I can. There's still a "relative" technical simplicity to it that I know I will be giving up when its replacement needs to come along. And as someone who has issued hundreds of those tickets, I don't wish to become a hypocrite over another form of "distracted driving", or dragged into using counter-productive ergonomics (as you eloquently describe) even if federal transportation regulations and car manufacturers say it's OK to do so.

My Rav4 has a smaller screen....fortunately no primary auto fun actions are there. I'm not sure if Subi is set up the same way or not, my guess is that it is --- simply because Subi & Toyota are now essentially the same company. I'd be interested to see what @Warren Mary Ellen has to say about that.

I do think they are dangerous --- I know I spend more time that I should navigate carplay (podcasts, especially) and on more than on occasion had the "lane detection" tap me forehead as I was veering off course. Dangerously? Probably not, but if traffic was heavier it may have been.

I personally think the phone in hand is better because at least there I've got the phone near the top of the steerign wheel and my eyes are forward --- I'm primarily paying attention to the phone, but autonomically paying attention to the direction of travel.

I mad the mistake of looking today --- since I'm "unemployed" there's no chance. I'm really shocked that little engine can still pull 2700 pounds, more with turbo....yikes!
 
"Gotta keep your scan going" first rule of VFR or IFR and works for safe driving too. Dont lose the bubble!

I'm not a fan of all the extra driver assistance- I prefer to be engaged, not watching the big screen tv sitting on the living room couch. I do use cruise control but more for mpg savings.

The FSD accidents info thats come out on Tesla is sort of horrifying to me.

That "big glass tv screen in the middle of my sightline" also seems like a YUGE distraction problem to me, too. And a single point of fail with no backups. I imagine there are ways to turn down the scrren.
 
"Gotta keep your scan going" first rule of VFR or IFR and works for safe driving too. Dont lose the bubble!

I'm not a fan of all the extra driver assistance- I prefer to be engaged, not watching the big screen tv sitting on the living room couch. I do use cruise control but more for mpg savings.

The FSD accidents info thats come out on Tesla is sort of horrifying to me.

That "big glass tv screen in the middle of my sightline" also seems like a YUGE distraction problem to me, too. And a single point of fail with no backups. I imagine there are ways to turn down the scrren.

Which is so sad -- after posting this, I started looking at Subi's again --- we love ours but it is developing personality. I kind of want a new one....but.

My RAV4 has lane assist, and side mirror indicators .... and I have to admit, the mirror indicators saved me from an accident. I think the important thing is to keep the assistive ,but they need to be non intrusive.

SO back to the car! You towed with it yet? How does it handle the trailer? What does the MPG look like? Do you have a turbo version?
 
Ours is a 12 --- and the headlights are the only true problem we've had with it, a few maintenance things. But to me, it handles amazingly well; maybe I've just owned jaloppies.

oh yes, we were towing when we dodged the grill. Car & Raindrop handled that move beautifully.

A 2012 is what we traded in. Yes, we were eating headlights & that seemed to be getting worse. Wheel bearings had to be replaced n it a couple of times.

Not much lag, I like the way it accelerates & so does she. I could do without the screen. I had a detached retina 12 years ago. My right eye is like a fun house mirror which messes with depth perception & looking for things in a crowded field like the screen is difficult, Most of the I’m driving it, she’ll be with me. I like the simple dashboard on my Ram 1500. I rarely use cruise control. Our last Long Haul in 2016 is the last time I’ve used it. I like to drive and I want to be in control. Never have used it in my truck, no idea if it works.

And I’m not sure the voice activation is going to work with my Upstate SC twangy accent. It seems to work with her Brooklyn/Long Island accent just fine.




How pronounced is the turbo lag? Back in my diesel days (jeep liberty CRD) it was pretty bad...

Dodged a grill? Yikes that had to be exciting -- Trailer in tow? The CI weighs so little, and its CG is so low, that wouldn't be an issue. That was my nightmare within towing the 2800BH Grand Design...

I'm not dumping on your car, its actually very nice and I think Subi has probably has one of the better dash designs. Certainly better than Tezzzla's buttonless dash. Sorry, just a little peeve -- Nicola was Croatian, and pronunciation is closer to "Taesle" where the "ae" liks 1 sound....closer to the Latin Æ.

That said, the screen is almost a non-starter to me. I'm going to go to one kicking and screaming - for three major reasons.
  • Distraction - It is interesting that having a mobile phone in your hand will get you a ticket, but searching on a screen the size of an iPad for the touch control to turn on some desired environmental control is just fine.

  • Destruction of night vision - Your dash should be dim as possible, and big screens make big light. That bright light "burns out" your night vision.

  • As a pilot, who has had some instrument training, It was drilled into me 'keep scanning the 6 pack.' meaning don't take your eyes on the road. Being able to find the landing gear, mixture, flaps, and throttle just by feel is important. In its automotive corollary there's no way to do that with a touch screen.
Frankly, this is more an indictment of Tesla who has removed nearly all, if not all buttons and knobs (I think there are a few on the wheel) not forgetting the gauges out of your line of sight. It is completely unnatural to me, and I hope this trend reverses at some point.

Subi has avoided many of these pitfalls keeping the gauge pack....and your car is gorgeous. This just got me on an inevitable rant. I am very interested to see what your township experience is, our Subi is getting long in the tooth and anticipate we'll soon be replacing it. And we love our Subi's.

I'll be really interested in hearing how the smaller engine does in terms of performance and service. The F150 EcoBoost taught me that cubic displacement is not the only factor, but I am concerned about high-reving small engines and their ability to run for 200,000 miles....

Interesting they use a teardrop in their add: The 2024 Subaru Outback.
 
Just saw this. While this is not aimed at outback, since its display is still pretty minimal compared to the Mercedes EQS and Tezla model 3 ... hopefully there is a return to knobs, buttons and levers because of this and hopefully NTSB oversight....

 
Ours is a 12 --- and the headlights are the only true problem we've had with it, a few maintenance things. But to me, it handles amazingly well; maybe I've just owned jaloppies.

How pronounced is the turbo lag? Back in my diesel days (jeep liberty CRD) it was pretty bad...

Dodged a grill? Yikes that had to be exciting -- Trailer in tow? The CI weighs so little, and its CG is so low, that wouldn't be an issue. That was my nightmare within towing the 2800BH Grand Design...

I'm not dumping on your car, its actually very nice and I think Subi has probably has one of the better dash designs. Certainly better than Tezzzla's buttonless dash. Sorry, just a little peeve -- Nicola was Croatian, and pronunciation is closer to "Taesle" where the "ae" liks 1 sound....closer to the Latin Æ.

That said, the screen is almost a non-starter to me. I'm going to go to one kicking and screaming - for three major reasons.
  • Distraction - It is interesting that having a mobile phone in your hand will get you a ticket, but searching on a screen the size of an iPad for the touch control to turn on some desired environmental control is just fine.

  • Destruction of night vision - Your dash should be dim as possible, and big screens make big light. That bright light "burns out" your night vision.

  • As a pilot, who has had some instrument training, It was drilled into me 'keep scanning the 6 pack.' meaning don't take your eyes on the road. Being able to find the landing gear, mixture, flaps, and throttle just by feel is important. In its automotive corollary there's no way to do that with a touch screen.
Frankly, this is more an indictment of Tesla who has removed nearly all, if not all buttons and knobs (I think there are a few on the wheel) not forgetting the gauges out of your line of sight. It is completely unnatural to me, and I hope this trend reverses at some point.

Subi has avoided many of these pitfalls keeping the gauge pack....and your car is gorgeous. This just got me on an inevitable rant. I am very interested to see what your township experience is, our Subi is getting long in the tooth and anticipate we'll soon be replacing it. And we love our Subi's.

I'll be really interested in hearing how the smaller engine does in terms of performance and service. The F150 EcoBoost taught me that cubic displacement is not the only factor, but I am concerned about high-reving small engines and their ability to run for 200,000 miles....

Interesting they use a teardrop in their add: The 2024 Subaru Outback.
I think you can turn off the screen or dim it. At least you can with some cars. I too, dislike touch screens.
 
I think you can turn off the screen or dim it. At least you can with some cars. I too, dislike touch screens.

The RAV4 has a 7 inch screen, it bothered me a little at first but I got used to it --- "dark mode" is really helpful. Just like on pc's -- I hated it at first, but have come to like it a lot and prefer it.

Everyone I know of has teh ability to push and hold a button and the screen will go completely blank...

What REALLY bothers me are the auto-dimming mirrors! The rav4 has an old 'flip lever' mirror which I was very happy to have. The subi has auto-dimming and even fully dimmed the headlight behind me are too bright. 9 times out of 10 I wind adjusting it so I can't see them at all, and the same or the rearviews.

The LED headlights on cars today are great for the driver, but not so muchfor others around. Factory isn't bad, but the aftermarket are insane.
 
Jeremiah has a new tow vehicle. We traded our 2012 Subaru Outback in for a 2024 Subaru Outback Wilderness. Lots more features on this one and I felt like it handled better than our old Outback. We’ll try not to jackknife the trailer with this one. LOL we had good luck with 2012 & didn’t see any reason to go another route.

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Everytime I see one parked somewhere I'm reminded how good they look. Subaru does a good job listening to their customers.
 
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